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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://koehlerlaw.net/2010/01/felony-murder-and-the-annie-le-case/comment-page-1/#comment-1626</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 04:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jamison,

Its been a little while, and you as always have been so kind with your time.  I have yet another question.  Why has Ray Clark not been charged with crimes related to desecrating and hiding of Annie Les body, cleaning up of the crime scene, lying to the police, attempting to conceal evidence, etc... Are these not also criminal offenses on top of the brutal murder charges? Are there no applicable charges that could be levied against him? Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jamison,</p>
<p>Its been a little while, and you as always have been so kind with your time.  I have yet another question.  Why has Ray Clark not been charged with crimes related to desecrating and hiding of Annie Les body, cleaning up of the crime scene, lying to the police, attempting to conceal evidence, etc&#8230; Are these not also criminal offenses on top of the brutal murder charges? Are there no applicable charges that could be levied against him? Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://koehlerlaw.net/2010/01/felony-murder-and-the-annie-le-case/comment-page-1/#comment-970</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 05:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! So it sounds like simply suspecting or even knowing a loved one committed a crime before he is arrested  and not turning them in is not grounds for arrest.  There is no legal reason a person has to turn someone in.  So in this case, knowing Clark committed a murder would not be illegal in itself.  They did not harbor him as his was staying at his own apartment, although they did provide him support.  Helping him to retrieve evidence the day after the murder might be illegal.  Driving him around? Lying to police to help Clark explain away evidence also sounds illegal under your definitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! So it sounds like simply suspecting or even knowing a loved one committed a crime before he is arrested  and not turning them in is not grounds for arrest.  There is no legal reason a person has to turn someone in.  So in this case, knowing Clark committed a murder would not be illegal in itself.  They did not harbor him as his was staying at his own apartment, although they did provide him support.  Helping him to retrieve evidence the day after the murder might be illegal.  Driving him around? Lying to police to help Clark explain away evidence also sounds illegal under your definitions.</p>
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		<title>By: jamison</title>
		<link>http://koehlerlaw.net/2010/01/felony-murder-and-the-annie-le-case/comment-page-1/#comment-963</link>
		<dc:creator>jamison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris:

Thank you for your continued interest in this topic.

I  don&#039;t know where my original response to your question of March 16 went. I must have accidentally deleted it while deleting the many spam comments I receive.  I recall I said something about Clark&#039;s family not having to worry about being charged with obstructing justice or being an accessory to the crime after the fact unless they took active measures to destroy evidence or to prevent his arrest.  

The same should be true for hindering the prosecution.  While I am not familiar with Connecticut law, &quot;Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution&quot; in Pennsylvania is roughly defined as being actively involved in harboring or concealing the suspect, concealing or destroying evidence, warning the suspect of impending discovery or apprehension, or providing false information to a law enforcement officer.  For example, I once defended a woman who was charged with this offense for lying to the police officers who showed up at the door to arrest her son and then yelling for her son to run out the back door.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris:</p>
<p>Thank you for your continued interest in this topic.</p>
<p>I  don&#8217;t know where my original response to your question of March 16 went. I must have accidentally deleted it while deleting the many spam comments I receive.  I recall I said something about Clark&#8217;s family not having to worry about being charged with obstructing justice or being an accessory to the crime after the fact unless they took active measures to destroy evidence or to prevent his arrest.  </p>
<p>The same should be true for hindering the prosecution.  While I am not familiar with Connecticut law, &#8220;Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution&#8221; in Pennsylvania is roughly defined as being actively involved in harboring or concealing the suspect, concealing or destroying evidence, warning the suspect of impending discovery or apprehension, or providing false information to a law enforcement officer.  For example, I once defended a woman who was charged with this offense for lying to the police officers who showed up at the door to arrest her son and then yelling for her son to run out the back door.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jamison,

Could you talk a little about the concept of hindering the prosecution, and how common it is in murder cases? How it might apply to Annie Le&#039;s case?
Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jamison,</p>
<p>Could you talk a little about the concept of hindering the prosecution, and how common it is in murder cases? How it might apply to Annie Le&#8217;s case?<br />
Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://koehlerlaw.net/2010/01/felony-murder-and-the-annie-le-case/comment-page-1/#comment-812</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jamison,

I had yet another follow up question concerning Annie Le&#039;s murder case.  My question involves the family of Ray Clark and what crimes they possible committed in the support of Ray Clark for the few days after the murder but before Annie&#039;s body was discovered.  Lets say for the sake of argument some family members knew Ray was involved in Annie&#039;s death, noticed he had changed clothes, noticed defensive wounds on his body, and helped calm him after the event when he was visibly distressed.  Is it a crime to assist a loved one after a crime, or to fail to notify police if you suspect a loved one was involved in something as serous as a murder?  Do you believe a family has any moral obligation, if not legal obligation, to notify police under such circumstances? As always, thanks for your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jamison,</p>
<p>I had yet another follow up question concerning Annie Le&#8217;s murder case.  My question involves the family of Ray Clark and what crimes they possible committed in the support of Ray Clark for the few days after the murder but before Annie&#8217;s body was discovered.  Lets say for the sake of argument some family members knew Ray was involved in Annie&#8217;s death, noticed he had changed clothes, noticed defensive wounds on his body, and helped calm him after the event when he was visibly distressed.  Is it a crime to assist a loved one after a crime, or to fail to notify police if you suspect a loved one was involved in something as serous as a murder?  Do you believe a family has any moral obligation, if not legal obligation, to notify police under such circumstances? As always, thanks for your time.</p>
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		<title>By: jamison</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris:

You are right about the prosecution wanting to keep its options open.  Generally, the prosecution will throw every possible charge at the defendant, hoping to get as many of the charges as possible to stick.  The prosecution can also use some of the extra charges for leverage during plea bargaining.  

The defendant can be tried on all the charges.  Whether or not the defendant can be found guilty and sentenced on offenses depends on what is called the Blockburger test.  If one charge contains an element that another charge does not, then the two charges are considered separate.  If the charges contain the same elements, then the offenses would &quot;merge&quot; for sentencing purposes (that is, you would only be sentenced on the one charge). 

Alternatively, it is possible for one offense to be included as a lesser included offense of another.  In this case, the defendant, if convicted of both charges, would only be sentenced on the more serious charge.  For example, theft is generally defined as the taking of property from another with intent to deprive.  Robbery contains the exact same elements except that force is also involved.  Thus, theft is a lesser included offense of robbery.  

I appreciate your interest and your questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris:</p>
<p>You are right about the prosecution wanting to keep its options open.  Generally, the prosecution will throw every possible charge at the defendant, hoping to get as many of the charges as possible to stick.  The prosecution can also use some of the extra charges for leverage during plea bargaining.  </p>
<p>The defendant can be tried on all the charges.  Whether or not the defendant can be found guilty and sentenced on offenses depends on what is called the Blockburger test.  If one charge contains an element that another charge does not, then the two charges are considered separate.  If the charges contain the same elements, then the offenses would &#8220;merge&#8221; for sentencing purposes (that is, you would only be sentenced on the one charge). </p>
<p>Alternatively, it is possible for one offense to be included as a lesser included offense of another.  In this case, the defendant, if convicted of both charges, would only be sentenced on the more serious charge.  For example, theft is generally defined as the taking of property from another with intent to deprive.  Robbery contains the exact same elements except that force is also involved.  Thus, theft is a lesser included offense of robbery.  </p>
<p>I appreciate your interest and your questions.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 04:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Jamison,
You have been kind with your time.  I had a follow up question.  How is it legally possible to be guilty of both first degree murder, and murder while in commission of a felony.  Is it a situation of either or, or can you legally be found guilty of both?  Is that not legally redundant?  Or is it that the prosecution doesn&#039;t want to box itself into a corner with the jury who may not want to convict Clark of murder one, but does want to convict him of something for her death.  For instance, if Clark killed her by accident and without premeditation, but was obviously still responsible for her death.  Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jamison,<br />
You have been kind with your time.  I had a follow up question.  How is it legally possible to be guilty of both first degree murder, and murder while in commission of a felony.  Is it a situation of either or, or can you legally be found guilty of both?  Is that not legally redundant?  Or is it that the prosecution doesn&#8217;t want to box itself into a corner with the jury who may not want to convict Clark of murder one, but does want to convict him of something for her death.  For instance, if Clark killed her by accident and without premeditation, but was obviously still responsible for her death.  Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: jamison</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I am not familiar with the Connecticut law that will govern this case.  However, simple assault and battery are traditionally misdemeanors and thus would not qualify as the underlying felony.  If it was a more serious form of assault, such as aggravated assault, then you are getting close to two forms of &quot;malice aforethought&quot; described above:  (1) intent to inflict great bodily injury and (2) display of reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life.  Although I have not been following recent developments on this case, I continue to suspect that the underlying felony is some form of robbery or rape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I am not familiar with the Connecticut law that will govern this case.  However, simple assault and battery are traditionally misdemeanors and thus would not qualify as the underlying felony.  If it was a more serious form of assault, such as aggravated assault, then you are getting close to two forms of &#8220;malice aforethought&#8221; described above:  (1) intent to inflict great bodily injury and (2) display of reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life.  Although I have not been following recent developments on this case, I continue to suspect that the underlying felony is some form of robbery or rape.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 19:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another question, Jamison.  Is it possible the felony in question was simple assault and battery. Is assault and battery considered a &quot;dangerous felony.&quot;  In other words, Clark physically attacked Annie, and in doing so killed her.  Thus, the physical beating was assault and battery that directly lead to her murder.  Perhaps it&#039;s as simple as that? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another question, Jamison.  Is it possible the felony in question was simple assault and battery. Is assault and battery considered a &#8220;dangerous felony.&#8221;  In other words, Clark physically attacked Annie, and in doing so killed her.  Thus, the physical beating was assault and battery that directly lead to her murder.  Perhaps it&#8217;s as simple as that? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: jamison</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In law school, we learned a mnemonic for remembering the &quot;dangerous felonies&quot; necessary to support a felony-murder charge:  BARK, which stands for Burglary, Arson, Robbery and Kidnapping. So yes, kidnapping could serve as the underlying felony.  

Kidnapping was originally defined at common law as the forcible asportation of the victim to another country.  The asportation doesn&#039;t need to be so extensive under modern law.  So yes, under the circumstances you describe, that could be kidnapping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In law school, we learned a mnemonic for remembering the &#8220;dangerous felonies&#8221; necessary to support a felony-murder charge:  BARK, which stands for Burglary, Arson, Robbery and Kidnapping. So yes, kidnapping could serve as the underlying felony.  </p>
<p>Kidnapping was originally defined at common law as the forcible asportation of the victim to another country.  The asportation doesn&#8217;t need to be so extensive under modern law.  So yes, under the circumstances you describe, that could be kidnapping.</p>
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